Monday, May 1, 2017
Interview: Azazel Jacobs on The Lovers
The son of avant-garde pioneers Ken and Flo Jacobs, Azazel Jacobs has the most conventional career in his family. He's still far from a household name, but he's been steadily scooting closer to the mainstream ever since his first feature, Nobody Needs to Know, a satire of New York City's theatrical subculture that doubles as a call to resist the capitalistic powers that be.
His latest, The Lovers, which premiered at this year's Tribeca Film Festival, is a tart, smart, moving, and genuinely dramatic romantic comedy. It stars Debra Winger and Tracy Letts as Mary and Michael, a long-married couple who've both turned to affairs after growing apart but are beginning to wonder if they're even more tired of the affairs than they were of their marriage.
I spoke to Jacobs, who I last interviewed in 2011 for The L Magazine, at Manhattan's Smyth Hotel about taking inspiration from 1950s romantic comedies, the chemistry between Winger and Letts, and how it felt to cede ownership of his latest film to the audience.
I love the screwball comedies and comedies of remarriage of the 1930s and '40s, and I always wish someone would make smart, funny movies like that these days—relationship movies that respect their audiences and respect women. And you just did it!
Thank you so much. I also really love those films and was raised watching them. My parents are still watching those films. Those aren't light films. They're always coming from a war, approaching a war, there's a depression going on, and all these things are very much on the surface. Also, if you go a little bit pre-code, they're riskier than anything that's being made today.
Were you influenced by them when you were working on this?
I hope so. I definitely saw the ability to at least think about those films with this movie, to have a connection to them. It's a little too high of a goal to think, “Oh, I'm gonna make one just like that.” But during the writing the script, it was like, “I can see that influence on this, and there's a way for me to respect that influence in a way that I don't think I had a chance to before.”
Once you became conscious of that influence, did it change anything about how you were writing?
Instead of picturing present-day actors, I was able to think of, like, William Powell or Myrna Loy, people that you'll never have a chance to work with, but you could feel their qualities in it. I definitely saw that kind of screwball ability in Debra, from past work and from meeting with her as a person.
It's great to see Debra Winger in such a good part. So much of the story is told just by her eyes: the way she looks or the way she looks away.
How did you get her?
That's really thanks to Terri. She saw it and she wrote a letter to me, being really touched by the film. It took about five years of me going to her with different projects, trying to figure out something we could work on. We'd meet up almost once a year and just talk and see where we were. No surprise, but she wanted to find the right thing, so it took a while. Read the rest in Slant Magazine